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16.12.2019 - Pad conference with karin, johannes, lilian

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welcome to our workshop about (L)
Materials as processes, material processes, materials in process within artistic practices (K)
meshworks and its intrications (L)

* MESHWORK
are we speaking about materials in and as a meshwork, or us in a meshwork? (K) I think we are speaking about materials, things, elements in and as a meshwork (L)<br>

and about the meshwork as a principle, how to look at things, materials, elements (K)
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what are the properties of the meshwork? (the elements it is consisting of) strain, tissue, strands? (J)
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how do the loose ends of the meshwork connect/disconnect (J)
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* TRANSLATION
can the meshwork be translated - to eg. (moving) image? (J) <br>
Hm, interesting question. Is the meshwork transferable to virtual procedures? (L)<br>

are we not in a constant "moment" of translating: we use different languages to describe something and to transfer it to another understanding. and is the meshwork itself not our translation point, also as "transfer" (K)<br>

to understand and to make things graspable translation is necessary, but I am not sure if within the meshwork translation processes are happening, more direct interactions and wirkmächtigkeit between these different knots (L)<br>

a flow? (J) yes (L)<br>

but what you asked is if the meshwork procedure can be applied or transfered (as a model) to (analogue or digital images, what effect would the meshwork idea have there? (L)<br>

if I think about virtual images or better digital images: is it about the confluences of images, the different layers/ superpositions of layers (L)
a little bit like this? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/4D#/media/Datei:8-cell-simple.gif - maybe a bit cheesy... (J)<br>

yes, it is something like this, also as a movement only possible in the digital. (K) <br>
finde ich auch, allerdings ist es hier ein bild , not a structure, as it is  in the concept (L)<br>

Ah, I understand what you mean. The meshwork as an image for this 4D simulation. (L)<br>
I was thinking about the problem/chance of reducing a complex situation to a less dimensional representation (J)<br>


what we have here is also the abstraction of a term and its visual representation, no? isn't this the whole idea behind choosing meshwork as a title for our workshop? and also the difficulty? (K)<br>

for me it is hard to grasp the dimension(spatial) of the meshwork, as tim ingold describes the connections between things having a materiality (J)<br>

that is what you wrote before: about the elements of the meshwork itself. the materiality of the inbetween is what makes it actually interesting as a point for our discussion: what are we looking at? what properties do we speak about? (K)<br>

are we too abstract? (K)<br>

For me it is more the problem or question or vagueness coming from the overlapping of practical and theoretical approaches. (K) <br>
yes, maybe the question is about that. i meant the property in two different ways: one would be the practical: the size, (J)<br>
the materiality, (K)<br>
the connection (J)<br>

and the other one i meant it like: "Eigenschaften" or elements, (J)<br>
features (K)<br>
? yes - if the smallest element is the strand, many strands form a tissue, may tissue form ... ? or is this too easy? (J) hm. (K)
I try to formulate it in other words to see where it leads us: Properties of a meshwork could be the inner workings as in: the connections, the size, the parameters of the whole construct, the nodes as singular elements of confluence and meeting. (K)<br>
the second aspect would be: the characteristica, by which these connections and single elements are defined and are defining the meshwork (K)<br>

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analogy? gedankenexperiment: if the meshwork was a brain, would we rather be biologists or psychologists? or neuroscientists (J)<br>

perhaps neuroscientists: working with the material to understand the system, in connection with its processes influencing the shape and the dependencies inside the mesh. ....my definition....  ;) (K)<br>


it is also about the single element as a substitute for the whole, as a principle of the smallest element as emblematic for the whole system. (K)<br>
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* ARCHIVE
will there be a focus on archiving materials and their properties? (J)<br>
this would be important (L)
it is also a question of how to differentiate between material as material and their properties(??) if we look at "material" as a meshwork (?) (K)<br>
the material is not fixed within the meshwork but in constant flux and becoming, so we look only at a state. (L)<br>
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how to find the correlations between material, materiality and its constant being in process (K)<br>

what happens to material when it is is the state of being archived? (J)<br>
it depends if it remains in the state in which it was archived or if it is still changing... (L)<br>

the question of time and decay becomes another aspect. although it is in a state of preservation, a fixated moment, it is still subject to change. (K)<br>
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* POINTS OF CONTACT / NODES
what are our (J) points of contact (anknüpfungspunkte/connecting factors) (K) inside the meshwork of artistic practices and material processes? (J) Do artistic practices create their own meshwork or are junctions within it? (L)<br>


what are our own personal starting points? (K)<br>

- thinking and working with the term meshwork could also mean thinking and acting with the various levels of engagement with material, in a concrete / practical manner, in an abstract way or/and with a technological approach (K)<br>

what are our examples? (L)<br>

in my case/starting point: the work inside an institution on one hand, with other people, different technologies and thinking structures, with certain constraints and situations, on the other hand an artistic and also research-oriented approach as an artist (K)<br>